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	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A. Jay</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-4736</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First let me start by saying you guys have pumped out some pretty intriguing things.  This is more of a broad post, I didn't know how else to get in contact with you guys.  I come to this site often looking for updates.  Particularly iPhoneCam and Squidge are the most anticipated apps from you fellas!!  I feel it has been too long when I read an article saying you are awaiting acceptance to the App Store.  I hope all is well, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.  Not to mention using these apps myself; for that I can't wait!!  I wish you all the best of luck in getting these apps available!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First let me start by saying you guys have pumped out some pretty intriguing things.  This is more of a broad post, I didn&#8217;t know how else to get in contact with you guys.  I come to this site often looking for updates.  Particularly iPhoneCam and Squidge are the most anticipated apps from you fellas!!  I feel it has been too long when I read an article saying you are awaiting acceptance to the App Store.  I hope all is well, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.  Not to mention using these apps myself; for that I can&#8217;t wait!!  I wish you all the best of luck in getting these apps available!</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3300</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's funny, because if Adobe wanted to take full advantage of Apple's new performance features, they'd have to do a lot of re-writing of existing code...   And as I said in the post, large software companies almost never have this luxury.  Maybe it wouldn't take up an entire release cycle, but it would definitely be painful for management to trade-off exciting new features for faster effects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny, because if Adobe wanted to take full advantage of Apple&#8217;s new performance features, they&#8217;d have to do a lot of re-writing of existing code&#8230;   And as I said in the post, large software companies almost never have this luxury.  Maybe it wouldn&#8217;t take up an entire release cycle, but it would definitely be painful for management to trade-off exciting new features for faster effects.</p>
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		<title>By: A. Nonymouse</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3296</link>
		<dc:creator>A. Nonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@milo: Apple has deprecated Carbon since last year, despite it being touted as a "First Class Citizen in Mac OS X" in previous years. This means new features cannot be accessed from it, so Adobe has indeed got to rewrite its apps. Apparently there are a lot of long time Mac devs who are in the same boat. Not a nice situation to be forced into really... I sympathize with them all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@milo: Apple has deprecated Carbon since last year, despite it being touted as a &#8220;First Class Citizen in Mac OS X&#8221; in previous years. This means new features cannot be accessed from it, so Adobe has indeed got to rewrite its apps. Apparently there are a lot of long time Mac devs who are in the same boat. Not a nice situation to be forced into really&#8230; I sympathize with them all.</p>
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		<title>By: David H Dennis</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3290</link>
		<dc:creator>David H Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miles2Go, it might not take that long.  Engadget mentioned an announcement of a 256gb SSD that was planned to ship this fall and sell for around $600.

I think it could be possible to have a quad-core 256gb SSD 17" MacBook Pro in the fall.  They could build in a thinner form factor like the Air and put in full connectors in the back, unlike the Air.  I'm pretty sure that's what Steve wants to do.  The reason it's taken so long is that only the SSD would be fast enough to keep MacBook Pro performance up, and I'm sure there are cooling issues with the Quad Core.

I don't know if he could do it for less than $3,999 but I know it would sell like crazy, even at that price.  If we're lucky maybe we'll see $3,499.

I think if it can be done, we'll see it this fall.  I'm definitely looking forward to it and only fearing the price :-(.

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miles2Go, it might not take that long.  Engadget mentioned an announcement of a 256gb SSD that was planned to ship this fall and sell for around $600.</p>
<p>I think it could be possible to have a quad-core 256gb SSD 17&#8243; MacBook Pro in the fall.  They could build in a thinner form factor like the Air and put in full connectors in the back, unlike the Air.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that&#8217;s what Steve wants to do.  The reason it&#8217;s taken so long is that only the SSD would be fast enough to keep MacBook Pro performance up, and I&#8217;m sure there are cooling issues with the Quad Core.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if he could do it for less than $3,999 but I know it would sell like crazy, even at that price.  If we&#8217;re lucky maybe we&#8217;ll see $3,499.</p>
<p>I think if it can be done, we&#8217;ll see it this fall.  I&#8217;m definitely looking forward to it and only fearing the price :-(.</p>
<p>D</p>
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		<title>By: milo</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3288</link>
		<dc:creator>milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They’re using Carbon right now (actually, so is Apple for most of their pro apps), and Photoshop CS4 will still be 32-bit since Apple dropped Carbon-64 support."

Except that neither of those new features has anything to do with 64 bit.  Is there any reason to believe that Apple would require apps to be 64 bit to take advantage?  Or has Apple said that either of those features will be Cocoa only?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They’re using Carbon right now (actually, so is Apple for most of their pro apps), and Photoshop CS4 will still be 32-bit since Apple dropped Carbon-64 support.&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that neither of those new features has anything to do with 64 bit.  Is there any reason to believe that Apple would require apps to be 64 bit to take advantage?  Or has Apple said that either of those features will be Cocoa only?</p>
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		<title>By: j.shell</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3287</link>
		<dc:creator>j.shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that one of the many reasons for Snow Leopard stems from the gap between the iPhone and the Macbook Air. I imagine that Apple would like to offer devices in between the two - something too big for iPhone OS, but something too small for a modern generic Mac OS X install. I imagine that custom Mac OS X setups (Apple TV) are also contributing to this direction.

I expect that there will be a push for more SSD storage as primary storage, but pricing, availability, and available sizes put some new restrictions in place that are causing Apple to reign in some of the cavalier attitudes in Mac OS X. There is a lot of wasted space in a typical install, and it gets worse over a lifetime as applications and all of their turds accumulate. This has been treated as "OK" thus far, but with pocket devices, ultra-light portables, Apple TV style boxes, and so on, it's wise for Apple to fine tune the master OS release. I imagine Snow Leopard will pave the way for new devices, with a great amount of the OS shared between them, whether it's a tablet, an Asus "Eee-PC" style sub-notebook, regular iMacs and Macbooks, all the way up to the Pro and Server line.

On wish-list style thinking - I'd like to see a system use Time Machine even more intelligently, so that one could get rid of unused resources (printer drivers, fonts, etc) completely, with an easy option to restore them if the need comes up. Instead of having to hunt down the install DVD, the system would say "You do not have X installed. Check Time Machine?" That way you could have a lean, optimized installation without having to worry about someday suddenly needing some obscure component.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that one of the many reasons for Snow Leopard stems from the gap between the iPhone and the Macbook Air. I imagine that Apple would like to offer devices in between the two - something too big for iPhone OS, but something too small for a modern generic Mac OS X install. I imagine that custom Mac OS X setups (Apple TV) are also contributing to this direction.</p>
<p>I expect that there will be a push for more SSD storage as primary storage, but pricing, availability, and available sizes put some new restrictions in place that are causing Apple to reign in some of the cavalier attitudes in Mac OS X. There is a lot of wasted space in a typical install, and it gets worse over a lifetime as applications and all of their turds accumulate. This has been treated as &#8220;OK&#8221; thus far, but with pocket devices, ultra-light portables, Apple TV style boxes, and so on, it&#8217;s wise for Apple to fine tune the master OS release. I imagine Snow Leopard will pave the way for new devices, with a great amount of the OS shared between them, whether it&#8217;s a tablet, an Asus &#8220;Eee-PC&#8221; style sub-notebook, regular iMacs and Macbooks, all the way up to the Pro and Server line.</p>
<p>On wish-list style thinking - I&#8217;d like to see a system use Time Machine even more intelligently, so that one could get rid of unused resources (printer drivers, fonts, etc) completely, with an easy option to restore them if the need comes up. Instead of having to hunt down the install DVD, the system would say &#8220;You do not have X installed. Check Time Machine?&#8221; That way you could have a lean, optimized installation without having to worry about someday suddenly needing some obscure component.</p>
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		<title>By: conigs</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3286</link>
		<dc:creator>conigs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I can imagine Adobe taking advantage of both technologies for the next Photoshop."

Only they won't. They're using Carbon right now (actually, so is Apple for most of their pro apps), and Photoshop CS4 will still be 32-bit since Apple dropped Carbon-64 support. I'd be surprised if CS5 even uses any of the new features (though that should be at least 64-bit by that point, which should mean they've moved on to Cocoa).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can imagine Adobe taking advantage of both technologies for the next Photoshop.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only they won&#8217;t. They&#8217;re using Carbon right now (actually, so is Apple for most of their pro apps), and Photoshop CS4 will still be 32-bit since Apple dropped Carbon-64 support. I&#8217;d be surprised if CS5 even uses any of the new features (though that should be at least 64-bit by that point, which should mean they&#8217;ve moved on to Cocoa).</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3285</link>
		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Hamranhansenhansen: Yeah, good points!

@eddy: Snow Leopard is planned for next year, so hopefully it won't take as long as Vista! ;) 

I'm sure they'll squeeze a handful of new features in there too just to keep things fresh. At the least they'll make all the system icons look shinier as is their custom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Hamranhansenhansen: Yeah, good points!</p>
<p>@eddy: Snow Leopard is planned for next year, so hopefully it won&#8217;t take as long as Vista! <img src='http://macdaddyworld.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll squeeze a handful of new features in there too just to keep things fresh. At the least they&#8217;ll make all the system icons look shinier as is their custom.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3284</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 13:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, and it echoes exactly what I was feeling Monday during Bertrand's talk and throughout the week in the various "What's New in ..." talks. This is stuff only developers can get excited about in the short term, but it's stuff we can really get excited about because we know what it means in the long term. 

I used to work for a large software company, and the developers were always begging management to take a release to catch up, do bug fixes, catch our breath, and make a better foundation for going forward, but we could never convince management that it was worthwhile. They wanted releases every eighteen months, and they wanted flashy new features the sales force could demo.

This is darn cool stuff. I was giddy watching some of the stuff that's coming, but could I explain to my Mom why this is so awesome? Probably not, so for a consumer software company to do this is just amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, and it echoes exactly what I was feeling Monday during Bertrand&#8217;s talk and throughout the week in the various &#8220;What&#8217;s New in &#8230;&#8221; talks. This is stuff only developers can get excited about in the short term, but it&#8217;s stuff we can really get excited about because we know what it means in the long term. </p>
<p>I used to work for a large software company, and the developers were always begging management to take a release to catch up, do bug fixes, catch our breath, and make a better foundation for going forward, but we could never convince management that it was worthwhile. They wanted releases every eighteen months, and they wanted flashy new features the sales force could demo.</p>
<p>This is darn cool stuff. I was giddy watching some of the stuff that&#8217;s coming, but could I explain to my Mom why this is so awesome? Probably not, so for a consumer software company to do this is just amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaakko Saari</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2008/06/15/wwdc-the-line/#comment-3281</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaakko Saari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful post. After reading I thought Snow Leopard is definably going to be an upgrade what I will buy sooner than I did Leopard. Actually I just recently switched to Leopard as my Macbook Pro came with it, and soon I upgraded my iMac. I didn't feel like jumping into the new train so soon.
Snow Leopard seems indeed a fantasy upgrade to me, long time mac fan and user of pro apps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post. After reading I thought Snow Leopard is definably going to be an upgrade what I will buy sooner than I did Leopard. Actually I just recently switched to Leopard as my Macbook Pro came with it, and soon I upgraded my iMac. I didn&#8217;t feel like jumping into the new train so soon.<br />
Snow Leopard seems indeed a fantasy upgrade to me, long time mac fan and user of pro apps.</p>
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