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		<title>By: Angustia</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2009/01/25/the-curious-case-of-missing-yen/comment-page-1/#comment-85008</link>
		<dc:creator>Angustia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cool pics</description>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2009/01/25/the-curious-case-of-missing-yen/comment-page-1/#comment-78512</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an accountant at a firm who will be selling apps on the app store.

Just a tip for you, although you might have &#039;lost&#039; the 20% withholding tax when it was deducted from Apple&#039;s payment, you should be able to get it back again by claiming a tax credit when you file your end year tax return. I.e. you should pay less to your local tax department because you have already paid the tax in Japan. 

Sure, it sounds a bit strange, but be sure to tell your accountant or tax advisor that you&#039;ve have tax withheld in Japan and you want to claim a credit in your end of year return.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an accountant at a firm who will be selling apps on the app store.</p>
<p>Just a tip for you, although you might have &#8216;lost&#8217; the 20% withholding tax when it was deducted from Apple&#8217;s payment, you should be able to get it back again by claiming a tax credit when you file your end year tax return. I.e. you should pay less to your local tax department because you have already paid the tax in Japan. </p>
<p>Sure, it sounds a bit strange, but be sure to tell your accountant or tax advisor that you&#8217;ve have tax withheld in Japan and you want to claim a credit in your end of year return.</p>
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		<title>By: dai</title>
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		<dc:creator>dai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you guys know those money withheld for Japanese tax reason will never come back to you? I contacted Apple today regarding  this issue. I got email back stated,
&quot;Therefore, any taxes withheld prior to the date that your submitted tax forms were approved by the Japan Tax Authority are not eligible for refund.&quot;. 
Do you guys had similar experience?
I had quite money withheld in Japan...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you guys know those money withheld for Japanese tax reason will never come back to you? I contacted Apple today regarding  this issue. I got email back stated,<br />
&#8220;Therefore, any taxes withheld prior to the date that your submitted tax forms were approved by the Japan Tax Authority are not eligible for refund.&#8221;.<br />
Do you guys had similar experience?<br />
I had quite money withheld in Japan&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Chin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone tried to file the Japanese tax form 11 and sent it to Apple in order to the get their withheld money back from the Japan Tax Authority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone tried to file the Japanese tax form 11 and sent it to Apple in order to the get their withheld money back from the Japan Tax Authority?</p>
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		<title>By: sean (the iphone developers)</title>
		<link>http://macdaddyworld.com/2009/01/25/the-curious-case-of-missing-yen/comment-page-1/#comment-55456</link>
		<dc:creator>sean (the iphone developers)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great catch Ken - may be useful to any UK readers reading this post - UK devs need to send their proof of residence certificate to their local HMRC office to claim exemption from Japanese taxes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great catch Ken &#8211; may be useful to any UK readers reading this post &#8211; UK devs need to send their proof of residence certificate to their local HMRC office to claim exemption from Japanese taxes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question has still not been answered from Apple: maybe you can help me figure it out:

In iTunes Connect it says &quot;World&quot; and then &quot;Free Apps&quot; has been accepted. It also says &quot;US&quot; and &quot;Paid Apps&quot; accepted. But there doesn&#039;t seem to be a place for &quot;World&quot; and &quot;Paid Apps.&quot; I want to sell my paid app around the world, and specifically in the Japan, Australia and Canada iTunes stores. Am I allowed to do this without filing out the tax forms at the bottom of iTunes Connect? (Let&#039;s just say at this time I don&#039;t care about the extra 20% withholding) Is it automatic that we can sell paid apps overseas if we are a US developer? The whole &quot;free apps&quot; listing under &quot;world&quot; is what is so confusing to me.

Thanks for your help,
Jessica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question has still not been answered from Apple: maybe you can help me figure it out:</p>
<p>In iTunes Connect it says &#8220;World&#8221; and then &#8220;Free Apps&#8221; has been accepted. It also says &#8220;US&#8221; and &#8220;Paid Apps&#8221; accepted. But there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a place for &#8220;World&#8221; and &#8220;Paid Apps.&#8221; I want to sell my paid app around the world, and specifically in the Japan, Australia and Canada iTunes stores. Am I allowed to do this without filing out the tax forms at the bottom of iTunes Connect? (Let&#8217;s just say at this time I don&#8217;t care about the extra 20% withholding) Is it automatic that we can sell paid apps overseas if we are a US developer? The whole &#8220;free apps&#8221; listing under &#8220;world&#8221; is what is so confusing to me.</p>
<p>Thanks for your help,<br />
Jessica</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right: The 2003 treaty revision eliminated the 10 percent withholding at source for royalty income:

http://www.orrick.com/JP/news/newsletters/Feb_2004.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right: The 2003 treaty revision eliminated the 10 percent withholding at source for royalty income:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.orrick.com/JP/news/newsletters/Feb_2004.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.orrick.com/JP/news/newsletters/Feb_2004.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Otis Ryder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otis Ryder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I built the same elaborate set of excel sheets and saw the exact same issue with the Yen and the Euro. Asked Apple and got a different answer about Japan, with no indication I needed to fill out any forms:

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Hello

Europe financial reports customer price includes VAT, whereas the USA reports and others do not. This is consistent with how the customer is used to seeing pricing on items. In the USA, the sales tax is added at the time of checkout, and not included in the individual item.

This VAT is then deducted, and paid to local tax authorities, before the 70% calculation.

Next, there is a 20% withholding tax deducted on Japan payments until your tax exemption form is accepted by the Japanese tax authorities.

Lastly, there are intermediary/correspondent bank fees deducted en route on all international cross border wire transfers.

If you have any further questions, please don&#039;t hesitate to contact us.

Kind regards,

Apple Finance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I built the same elaborate set of excel sheets and saw the exact same issue with the Yen and the Euro. Asked Apple and got a different answer about Japan, with no indication I needed to fill out any forms:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Hello</p>
<p>Europe financial reports customer price includes VAT, whereas the USA reports and others do not. This is consistent with how the customer is used to seeing pricing on items. In the USA, the sales tax is added at the time of checkout, and not included in the individual item.</p>
<p>This VAT is then deducted, and paid to local tax authorities, before the 70% calculation.</p>
<p>Next, there is a 20% withholding tax deducted on Japan payments until your tax exemption form is accepted by the Japanese tax authorities.</p>
<p>Lastly, there are intermediary/correspondent bank fees deducted en route on all international cross border wire transfers.</p>
<p>If you have any further questions, please don&#8217;t hesitate to contact us.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Apple Finance</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Herbert&#039;s credit, the link that takes you to the itunes store is an affiliate link, so you *can&#039;t* tell from the link that it goes there; it&#039;s just an http link.

(I just had the same surprise. I don&#039;t care as much, though.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Herbert&#8217;s credit, the link that takes you to the itunes store is an affiliate link, so you *can&#8217;t* tell from the link that it goes there; it&#8217;s just an http link.</p>
<p>(I just had the same surprise. I don&#8217;t care as much, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, unless Apple is mistaken, you&#039;re wrong about the 10% withholding unless one files a Japanese tax return.  According to the instructions from Apple, the treaty between the U.S. and Japan reduces the withholding rate to 0% for iTunes payments.

I tried to fill out these forms months ago and got stuck on two fronts.  First, the IRS lived up to typical government bureaucracy and rejected my application for proof of residency, requesting much of the same information I sent with my original application.  Not until after cashing my $30 check for the processing fee, of course.

Second, my company is a two person LLC electing pass-through taxation and Apple&#039;s instructions defer to the Japanese forms for what constitutes acceptable documentation.  The Japanese forms are very vague themselves, and Apple never answered me when I sent them email asking for clarification.

My products don&#039;t sell much in Japan, though, so it might be years before I have to worry about that 20%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, unless Apple is mistaken, you&#8217;re wrong about the 10% withholding unless one files a Japanese tax return.  According to the instructions from Apple, the treaty between the U.S. and Japan reduces the withholding rate to 0% for iTunes payments.</p>
<p>I tried to fill out these forms months ago and got stuck on two fronts.  First, the IRS lived up to typical government bureaucracy and rejected my application for proof of residency, requesting much of the same information I sent with my original application.  Not until after cashing my $30 check for the processing fee, of course.</p>
<p>Second, my company is a two person LLC electing pass-through taxation and Apple&#8217;s instructions defer to the Japanese forms for what constitutes acceptable documentation.  The Japanese forms are very vague themselves, and Apple never answered me when I sent them email asking for clarification.</p>
<p>My products don&#8217;t sell much in Japan, though, so it might be years before I have to worry about that 20%.</p>
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